I don't know if you've read "Zen & the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" but your DYS story reminded me that nice & popular novel of the 70s. By the way, I was wondering why there's been so much disgust with mass production and all other things brought by the industrial revolutions (from the steam-powered machines to AI). And found a sort of insight: we humans have somehow mimic what DNA/RNA (recently even clone RNA as a messenger) started doing since the beginning of life. Nature is a kind of a mass production, a very sophisticated one but never tilted towards artistry or vernacular production. There's no conflict between industrial revolution and DYS as you seemed to imply it. There are contexts or competency fields of action, but not a contradictory tension...
Hey Moises… yes, you could say that I have read that one… I would place it as one of the most influencing books in my life, no doubt. Perhaps some Steinbeck, Hesse, Bradbury, Suzuki come along too… but Pirsig really wrote something here.
To use Pirsig’s vocabulary, I think that the industrial revolution allowed a substantial decrease of Quality, pirsig’s quality. It does not have to happen, but it is certainly more easy that it happens. That is why there is a going back to artisanship, potentially to DIY.
I fully embrace the realization that classic and romantic beauty, in the west, are separated, which is not necessarily the case in the east, and that we need to rejoin it. Perhaps PIrsig’s quality is the key, perhaps.
What I imply is (what I believe is a) misuse of the industrial revolution/assembly line/DNA like processes. It is like if nature would have said: ohhhh, we figure it out! we can produce millions of humans with our DNA machine… so let’s make tons of them, and forget about making them well! we can make another one when this one is tired!
The green perspective is that such thinking is bad for everything. The quality perspective is that replacing a good thing for two or three mediocre ones, is not good enough.
Well. Deep stuff. There are multiple causes of mediocrity and of quality. One may choose one of these two roads from now on, but one's choosing would almost always be submerged with several streams of concomitants related causes, so results can or cannot be what one expected them to be. Separated or dualistic views are a historical fact. We may keep it as it is, or embrace a non-duality approach from now on. Looking for an integrated approach, as far as it's possible...
I don't know if you've read "Zen & the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" but your DYS story reminded me that nice & popular novel of the 70s. By the way, I was wondering why there's been so much disgust with mass production and all other things brought by the industrial revolutions (from the steam-powered machines to AI). And found a sort of insight: we humans have somehow mimic what DNA/RNA (recently even clone RNA as a messenger) started doing since the beginning of life. Nature is a kind of a mass production, a very sophisticated one but never tilted towards artistry or vernacular production. There's no conflict between industrial revolution and DYS as you seemed to imply it. There are contexts or competency fields of action, but not a contradictory tension...
Hey Moises… yes, you could say that I have read that one… I would place it as one of the most influencing books in my life, no doubt. Perhaps some Steinbeck, Hesse, Bradbury, Suzuki come along too… but Pirsig really wrote something here.
To use Pirsig’s vocabulary, I think that the industrial revolution allowed a substantial decrease of Quality, pirsig’s quality. It does not have to happen, but it is certainly more easy that it happens. That is why there is a going back to artisanship, potentially to DIY.
I fully embrace the realization that classic and romantic beauty, in the west, are separated, which is not necessarily the case in the east, and that we need to rejoin it. Perhaps PIrsig’s quality is the key, perhaps.
What I imply is (what I believe is a) misuse of the industrial revolution/assembly line/DNA like processes. It is like if nature would have said: ohhhh, we figure it out! we can produce millions of humans with our DNA machine… so let’s make tons of them, and forget about making them well! we can make another one when this one is tired!
The green perspective is that such thinking is bad for everything. The quality perspective is that replacing a good thing for two or three mediocre ones, is not good enough.
Well. Deep stuff. There are multiple causes of mediocrity and of quality. One may choose one of these two roads from now on, but one's choosing would almost always be submerged with several streams of concomitants related causes, so results can or cannot be what one expected them to be. Separated or dualistic views are a historical fact. We may keep it as it is, or embrace a non-duality approach from now on. Looking for an integrated approach, as far as it's possible...
You kind of lost me there. I think that the whole point of Pirsig is that we need not to be dualistic, even stronger: he solves that dualism.
Mmmmhhh Definitely. I've got to re-read Pirsig's. Thank you!!