Last but not least Moises... remember that I come from Argentina. Yes, I do know what it means a vote being fully meaningless. Or that a powerful sector of the society literally has the means to exterminate another, and does so. Never forget: it can always get worse than in Venezuela.
But I have, don’t you remember? This is what brought Chavez to us. Our elections, already when I arrived to Venezuela in 1978, didn’t mean much. People explained to me: we just have two parties and they alternate, that’s all. This is the kind of meaninglessness that we see in plenty of other countries nowadays. When the system stops being meaningful, when people think that they know what’s gonna happen and they have zero influence, then the road is open for the populist that badmouth “the status” “la cuarta” and offers his or her own solutions.
I am certainly not saying that NL is about to turn into Venezuela, as many magazolanos say about spain and podemos . But I think this is a pervasive sickness of our system.
Anyhow, at some other scale, this is what happened in Venezuela in 2012, when Capriles lost the election by few votes. Besides the small difference, and the likely cheating of the government, there were lots and lots of people that no matter what, kept voting for Maduro. The problem there is that the fail of democracy as a self correcting system. Same here: the government did bad, yet people elected it again. That tells you that democracy as such is not enough to prevent bad governors. And that is another serious problem.
Brother, democracy is the least bad of government systems (Churchill dixit), and there are no good ones... The thing is one has to take care of it, keep it far from the hands of populists (like Podemos). One may sub estimate populists capacity to destroy it and over estimate ours to deal with such guys. New warfare that includes hybrid and loose new concepts of "arms" and "soldiers" are used by enemies of liberal democracies. Modernity is at stake and a trend towards a medieval GameOfThronish view of the world has taken place and appears to be kind of harder to stop it, as one could have expected. They see us as enemies, and one shouldn't avoid to be more aware of that threat.
To begin with, I disagree with the fact that there are no good ones. Democracy is a good one, it just needs work. Problem is not the system, problem is the individual working it through. At least in the context of this conversation.
I am not so sure what do you refer to when you talk about warfare. I think language matters and the word warfare is unlikely to be correct. There are different models of societies, of course. Their interaction is what has produced better societies along the ages. And obviously each model fight the other, tribes to change it, sometimes with means that we approve off, like trade and stead of ideas, and sometimes by means that we do not, like the CIA in Chile or the cubans in Venezuela. But I refuse to describe this in warfare terms. The others are not our enemies. Have you read that book of Steinbeck? “A russian journal” is called.
I do not think that modernity is a stake. Modernity is a very old concept, surpassed by better ones, like, not surprisingly, postmodernity. Modernity engendered the holocaust, my friend. Let’s it rest in peace and don’t try to reawaken it for new battles.
La verdad es que ese tipo de personajes entre me aburre y me deprime. Para empezar, déjame empezar con lo que mas desagrado me produce, la objetivizacion, el hacer objeto, o mejor aun, la cosificación, de su amor por su pareja. No me jodan, coño. Yo no me case con chantal porque me gusta holanda. El amor entre los individuos no es un símbolo, asi como la patria no es una casa. Ese hilo ya de por si me molesta bastante.
Del resto, todo lo que esos hilos hacen es decir que hay guerra guerra guerra... A ver Moises, quienes luchan las guerras? Hasta donde yo sabia son los soldados. NO es posible que no veas que ese mensaje, ese lenguaje lo primero que hace es desvalorizar el papel del ciudadano en la solución de su cotidianidad.
Que de hecho es lo que ha hecho el chavismo, desde siempre.
Por dios, hasta cuando?
Quien crees que gana cuando describes a Venezuela como un campo de batalla? Cual es el valor agregado de esa definición para el futuro que tu quieres tener en venezuela? Cual es el valor predictivo de semejante descripción?
It could be waaaay worse... trust me, you haven't seen anything when elections don't have any meaning at all
Last but not least Moises... remember that I come from Argentina. Yes, I do know what it means a vote being fully meaningless. Or that a powerful sector of the society literally has the means to exterminate another, and does so. Never forget: it can always get worse than in Venezuela.
But I have, don’t you remember? This is what brought Chavez to us. Our elections, already when I arrived to Venezuela in 1978, didn’t mean much. People explained to me: we just have two parties and they alternate, that’s all. This is the kind of meaninglessness that we see in plenty of other countries nowadays. When the system stops being meaningful, when people think that they know what’s gonna happen and they have zero influence, then the road is open for the populist that badmouth “the status” “la cuarta” and offers his or her own solutions.
I am certainly not saying that NL is about to turn into Venezuela, as many magazolanos say about spain and podemos . But I think this is a pervasive sickness of our system.
Anyhow, at some other scale, this is what happened in Venezuela in 2012, when Capriles lost the election by few votes. Besides the small difference, and the likely cheating of the government, there were lots and lots of people that no matter what, kept voting for Maduro. The problem there is that the fail of democracy as a self correcting system. Same here: the government did bad, yet people elected it again. That tells you that democracy as such is not enough to prevent bad governors. And that is another serious problem.
Brother, democracy is the least bad of government systems (Churchill dixit), and there are no good ones... The thing is one has to take care of it, keep it far from the hands of populists (like Podemos). One may sub estimate populists capacity to destroy it and over estimate ours to deal with such guys. New warfare that includes hybrid and loose new concepts of "arms" and "soldiers" are used by enemies of liberal democracies. Modernity is at stake and a trend towards a medieval GameOfThronish view of the world has taken place and appears to be kind of harder to stop it, as one could have expected. They see us as enemies, and one shouldn't avoid to be more aware of that threat.
To begin with, I disagree with the fact that there are no good ones. Democracy is a good one, it just needs work. Problem is not the system, problem is the individual working it through. At least in the context of this conversation.
I am not so sure what do you refer to when you talk about warfare. I think language matters and the word warfare is unlikely to be correct. There are different models of societies, of course. Their interaction is what has produced better societies along the ages. And obviously each model fight the other, tribes to change it, sometimes with means that we approve off, like trade and stead of ideas, and sometimes by means that we do not, like the CIA in Chile or the cubans in Venezuela. But I refuse to describe this in warfare terms. The others are not our enemies. Have you read that book of Steinbeck? “A russian journal” is called.
I do not think that modernity is a stake. Modernity is a very old concept, surpassed by better ones, like, not surprisingly, postmodernity. Modernity engendered the holocaust, my friend. Let’s it rest in peace and don’t try to reawaken it for new battles.
When I say war, I mean something like my german friend Georg Eickohff have said throughout these threads and interviews...
https://twitter.com/JorgeEickhoff/status/1373488773456084996?s=20
https://twitter.com/JorgeEickhoff/status/1376163825108590592?s=20
https://twitter.com/JorgeEickhoff/status/1378421958115745807?s=20
https://youtu.be/pdIIuVJaGVo
https://twitter.com/JorgeEickhoff/status/1377695422026760195?s=20
https://t.co/L1pSFPC39A?amp=1
https://twitter.com/JorgeEickhoff/status/1376965134338379777?s=20
https://twitter.com/JorgeEickhoff/status/1376510463823986689?s=20
https://twitter.com/JorgeEickhoff/status/1372927059501187077?s=20
Enjoy
La verdad es que ese tipo de personajes entre me aburre y me deprime. Para empezar, déjame empezar con lo que mas desagrado me produce, la objetivizacion, el hacer objeto, o mejor aun, la cosificación, de su amor por su pareja. No me jodan, coño. Yo no me case con chantal porque me gusta holanda. El amor entre los individuos no es un símbolo, asi como la patria no es una casa. Ese hilo ya de por si me molesta bastante.
Del resto, todo lo que esos hilos hacen es decir que hay guerra guerra guerra... A ver Moises, quienes luchan las guerras? Hasta donde yo sabia son los soldados. NO es posible que no veas que ese mensaje, ese lenguaje lo primero que hace es desvalorizar el papel del ciudadano en la solución de su cotidianidad.
Que de hecho es lo que ha hecho el chavismo, desde siempre.
Por dios, hasta cuando?
Quien crees que gana cuando describes a Venezuela como un campo de batalla? Cual es el valor agregado de esa definición para el futuro que tu quieres tener en venezuela? Cual es el valor predictivo de semejante descripción?